The ‘Rushdie’ Attack

So how many of us have really read the book, ‘The Satanic Verses’? Yes, we’ve been told its ‘blasphemous’, we’ve read about it in the newspaper, maybe heard it mentioned at the dinner table. We all know it’s a ‘bad book’, but do we know why? No we don’t, and neither do the thousand or so street protestors in Iran and Pakistan. Chances are that they hadn’t even heard the name Salman Rushdie prior to this.

So what makes this book so ‘sacrilegious’, so heretic? Why is it condemned, banned, and denounced across the Muslim world? My answer to you is: I really don’t know. And it doesn’t matter. At the end of the day, it’s an opinion. An extreme opinion, I’ll give you that. But still an opinion. Charles I of England was executed for defying Parliament and instigating a civil war. Prime Minister Bhutto was hanged in the 1970’s against charges of rigging elections and plotting to kill his political opponents. You don’t issue a death sentence against someone for holding a perspective. There’s a word that describes such an act; it’s intolerance.

Despite this, one might (and rightly so) consider the fatwa a serious matter; one that should be looked into. After all, you don’t have every author being issued a death sentence against. Let us consider the basis of this fatwa. In 1989, Supreme Leader of the Republic of Iran, Ayatollah Khomeini issued a fatwa, calling for the assassination of Salman Rushdie. He deemed the assassination a ‘religious duty’ for Muslims. In other words, us Muslims were given a ‘license to kill’ the author because he was…well, blasphemous. Why then did Khomeini fail to issue a fatwa against a group of Iranian students that seized the United States embassy in Tehran, taking 63 American citizens as hostage in 1979? Why was no fatwa issued against them? Khomeini supported the hostage takers, declaring ‘America can’t do a damn thing.’ So when a fatwa is issued by a leader who sat back during an emergency crisis, one should only regard it in one light: by not taking it seriously.

But we have taken it to heart. We were outraged that Salman Rushdie was knighted. None of us considered his contributions to Literature, his great writing, the numerous awards he’s achieved for his work. We only kept the weighty fatwa in mind, a fatwa that is not binding, and has no basis. So he said something disparaging about Islam. He wasn’t the first one to do it. He certainly won’t be the last. There are many more cartoons to come! Will be issue a fatwa against them all? Or will we just bomb or murder them, like Van Gogh’s grandson was by a Dutch Muslim? The Chinese didn’t broadcast celebrations of the Year of the Pig recently. They did it because they didn’t want to offend the Muslim community. But ultimately, they did it because they were scared of how we would react. We’ve instilled fear not only in the Western world, by in our own neighbors. When does it stop?

The real deserver of a fatwa isn’t an Indian-born author with an opinion. It isn’t tourism minister Nilofer Bakhtiar for hugging her parachute instructor. It isn’t tennis star Sania Mirza for failing to adhere to the ‘Islamic dress code’. The real deservers are the instigators of violence; a fatwa should be declared against the AK-47 armed students of Lal Masjid, and the burqa-clad miscreants from Jamia Hafza.

Salman Rushdie is innocent. Let’s try dolling out death sentences to the real criminals.

Minal Khan

  1. #1 by salahudin on July 10, 2007 - 9:28 pm

    good post!

  2. #2 by Rehan Usmani on September 11, 2007 - 4:40 pm

    I would like to congratulate you on this wonderful post, but one flaw in this post is that you have almost totally ignored the reasons why Rushdie is hated so much in the muslim world. I am aware of Rushie’s “Satanic Verses”, although not fully, but to an extent to support the fatwa against him. However, (dont mind it) u have strayed off the topic “The Rushdie Attack” and u have written more about the invalidity of Fatwas and linked it with totally different acts, such as those of terrorism and violence.
    Secondly, calling Rushdie’s work “great” is an overstatement and declaring a “fatwa” to be “not binding” is an open challenge to the very basis of religion, Islam.
    Attacks such as these on any religion are, as u urself must know, not advisable to post in public, nor brought under serious arguments.

  3. #3 by Asher Gilani on September 11, 2007 - 5:22 pm

    Salaman Rushdie’s novel “Midnight’s Children” not only won the booker prize which is awarded for the best novel of the year it also won the booker of bookers prize which is awarded to the best novel novel of the previous 25 years. He is also the best writer of our generation and hence calling his work great is in fact an ‘understatement’ not an ‘overstatement.’

  4. #4 by salahudin on September 12, 2007 - 8:03 pm

    Rehan, why do you think islam wants you to murder people who just SPEAK or EXPRESS a different point of view than what you’ve been brought up with?

    how can you then say islam is a religion of peace? if your interpretation of islam is correct then islam is a religion of complete and utter violence until the whole world agrees with you.

  5. #5 by salahudin on September 14, 2007 - 7:50 pm

    “a country which is at the extreme of completely letting every one speak their mind will always be in the process of change, and the turmoil and anarchy that is always necessary for change. And thats why those kind of idealistic countries wil never work in this world. Name one country that has a decent standing and power in this world, and does not have something that is blocking free thought if its against the interest of the nation.”


    Sweden? the US?

    that’s two i just named.

    the only limitations you have on free speech in the US is that you can’t incite a mob to murder.

    hell, in the US, you’re even allowed to BURN THE US FLAG ON US TERRITORY! and you’ll be given police protection while doing so…

    what chaos? what anarchy?? it’s a super power man… 😛

  6. #6 by salahudin on September 16, 2007 - 1:06 am

    you couldn’t be more wrong.

    free speech is allowed in the US… the only restrictions are against revealing national secrets and causing others harm.

    flag burning in the US is a HUGE deal… you dismiss it as token symbolism?

    clearly you don’t know enough about the US system:

    when the flag was burnt, the person was arrested initially. the case went all the way up to the supreme court, which then ruled that is WAS protected under free speech.

    that’s the way the US system works: it’s a self correcting system. There are discrepancies by some emotional people, but the bottom line is that freedom is always protected… the same will happen with the patriot act… actually, if you haven’t noticed, sections of the patriot act were ruled unconstitutional and hence had to be changed.

    that’s the beauty of allowing free speech.

    either way, the US system is pro-freedom, though i agree with you that it is not free enough. I would rather we were like sweden in that regard. 🙂

    they don’t seem to be in chaos and are doing quite well

  7. #7 by Rehan Usmani on September 16, 2007 - 2:22 am

    u are forgetting salaudin that islam is not only a religion of peace, but also a religion of great defence when it comes to that. I cannot explain u the essence of the teachings of quran and sunnah without u going to a mosque to a proper maulana sahib. if u wanna debate my friend, open a new forum and we’ll talk there for ages if u wish, however this isnt one.
    secondly, it is a religion of peace when no such ppl (rushdie) allegedly attack islam, but as soon as the war is proclaimed, it is incumbent on all MUSLIMS to go out and do Jihad. As far as forms of jihad are concerned, there are many so u must be wondering y directly give a license to murder. U can only understand this once u are a scholar in Islam, which i am cent percent sure u arent. Still, ther eis a hadis which says that he is not a momin who does not love Prophet (saw) more than ANYONE else, even his father and brother. I can quote a million ahadis in favor but it is useless to argue with a person who does not truly understand the very basis of Islam.
    I can challenge u that u dont even know half of what SATANIC verses is about. So quit it dude, this aint helping anyone, infact u are shaking ur own beliefs by accusing of something u dont know about.

  8. #8 by Rehan Usmani on September 16, 2007 - 2:31 am

    salaudim u seem to be a sensible guy, but how did u manage to misunderstand and call SATANIC VERSES as FREEDOM OF PRESS :S? OR FREE EXPRESSION for that matter? dude u are seriously ignorant about satanic versess’ content. It is against THE VERY BASIS OF ISLAM “the fact that a prophet cannot be wrong at any cost, and neither can Allah(swt) be ignorant about the works of the devil. It is a thought neither of the religions agree to, however, as the book specifically mentioned islam, it is only felt gravely by the muslims alone. My friend just to enlighten u, the book goes as far as saying brothels were openly allowed and Nao-zu-billah, hazrat Aisha (ra) being a part of it (wishing to be a part of it). Now go ponder on this and let me know. I am damn sure u are petrified by the info iv just provided u.

  9. #9 by Rehan Usmani on September 16, 2007 - 2:50 am

    back to the original post: we have NOT instilled fear among other ppl like China for instance, minal u are going ahead with a thing which is wrong in the first place. The fact that every religion has a right to exist especially in this modern world, is being ignored by u and u are implying something that EVERY SINGLE RELIGION is careful about. For instance, muslims wudnt do anything which is attacking the holiness of the same thing in some other religion for e.g Christianity. When u cant even imagine to offend any other race or religion, how can u call this tolerance by both parties for each other as “due to fear”.
    However, refuting ur point, assuming that it is due to fear, it is still in the rights of muslims to NOT GET OFFENDED by other parties. They have to maintain this right by protesting against indecent and offensive acts. It is sad to see where the course of Islam is going with the lead of suicide bombers, but if not them, then who? are u willing to write FOR ISLAM? are u willing to go out and do some research about what ISLAM is about and what is OBLIGATORY on u to do for islam? it is funny when ppl talk about jihad alone as the single responsibility, and at the same time sad, beacuse the fact is, if u ask urself, do u really knwo what the true way to living as a muslim is? probably not, and perhaps even i am not so well-informed either, but the point is that HOW THE HELL ARE U CONTRIBUTING TO SAVE UR RELIGION??? which creates a new question ARE U EVEN?. When ppl like us, educated and SUPPOSEDLY well informed, claiming to know more than the imams of islam, fall back on our responsibilities, it is natural for ignorant groups and perhaps the term is DEPRIVED groups to emerge. Now i dont know if this makes sense to u, in a nutshell i am asking for help as a muslim to do 2 things:
    1. do in-depth analysis of ISLAM, not on ur own, but with the help of an AALIM, as stated in the HADIS.
    2. Outline ur responsibilities, and inshAllah how impossible it may seem right now, but we will be the pioneers who will bring a revival to true islam.
    All the above can only be done with true guidance and no matter how offended u feel, it all starts with prayers. Do u kno that the first question on the day of judgement will be regarding Prayer? and can u question how wise is Allah (swt), No so u can understand that He being the most wise of all, put the question of SALAT as first. THer eis a reason, hikmat, more than any human cna understand in limitless lives, so do ponder on what iv said.
    Its really not personal.

  10. #10 by Minal on September 16, 2007 - 5:54 pm

    Wow. I haven’t been on this website in a long time, but I just have to say, I never imagined my article would stir up this much debate!

    To Rehan Usmani, I want to thank you for criticism. I really do appreciate it. In retrospect and after reading over what I wrote , I do agree that I have strayed off the topic.
    However, I disagree with some of the points you bought up. Whether or not Rushdie’s work is ‘great’ is subjective. We can argue about that for ages, without ever arriving at an answer.

    And second, I did not make an ‘attack’ on religion. I believe in moderate Islam. If extremism as a threat to moderation, then so be it.

    No I have not attacked Islam. I have attacked extremism. Surprise surprise Senator Barrack Obama; they’re not one and the same thing.
    If I were attacking Islam, my topic would not not be ‘The Rushie Attack’. It would probably be along the lines of ‘Death to All Mullahs’.
    As you can see, it’s not =)

  11. #11 by Asher Gilani on September 17, 2007 - 12:46 am

    Haha rehan, you really are something. Firstly I never said Midnight’s Children was a best seller, I said that it won the booker and booker of booker’s which is the most prestigious award in English Literature. It is even more prestigious than the nobel prize and it is awarded not for the the number of sales but for the quality of content. Furthermore a lot of people regard a lot of people regard rushdie to be the best writer of our generation which would mean that his work will survive for a long long time.

    You may also not know this rehan but many famous muslim writers have praised Rushdie and advocated free expression.

    Also, many people believe that satanic verses is actually about the Ayatollah Khameini. This is the major reason why there was a fatwah put on Sir Salman Rushdie. It is a shame that Islam seems to be represented by idiots like the Ayatollah who want to kill someone just for saying something.

  12. #12 by Rehan Usmani on September 17, 2007 - 3:17 am

    and asher its not about ayatollah at all.

  13. #13 by Rehan Usmani on September 17, 2007 - 3:18 am

    2ndly, just tell me who’s side are u on? english literature or islam?

  14. #14 by Rehan Usmani on September 17, 2007 - 3:23 am

    minal tolerance is only shown to those who are NOT attacking islam in any way, that is everything is peaceful, but it is equally obligatory to become intoleratn wen somenoe literally attacks islam.
    apart from the subject, it is VERY VERY sad that a muslim , salman rushdie, did what he did.

  15. #15 by Rehan Usmani on September 17, 2007 - 3:28 am

    haha although i dont have a right to say this, but plz dont attach SIR. he is a person whom every muslim should hate for his work and not only that, his stubborness to not apologize.

  16. #16 by Rehan Usmani on September 17, 2007 - 3:37 am

    salaudin, it is very sad to see u linking that hadis u mentioned in a matter like this. i mean, even a 5 year old will verify that ur mentioned hadis is totally out of context. it is regarding the nature to forgive and forget, not at all related to serious issues like turning a complete joke out of islam. when u so openly rely on ahadis, then its a shame u are arguing against our prophet (saw).

  17. #17 by Rehan Usmani on September 17, 2007 - 3:38 am

    just think about it dude…u seem very confused and mind u, u shudnt be making this a joke, something strictly forbidden in islam.

  18. #18 by Minal Khan on September 17, 2007 - 4:08 pm

    Bravo. You denounce stubborness. You quoted the Quran to support your point. But aren’t you more stubborn than anyone else, holding on to your unfliching view that Rushdie is a ‘bad’ Muslim – which by the way no one, not even you, has a right to judge – and then persistently attacking him.

    And you seem to bring my religious devotion into question. I would request you to refrain from doing that. I am no less a devoted Muslim than any one else. But don’t need to prove tha to you.

    Lastly, I think it’s highly naive of everyone to reduce this to a debate about religion. Religion is the one arena that is more personal than even our own names; if we argue about it, we will go around in circles, maybe even off on a tangent and then wind our way back to nothing.

    so please, let’s STOP DEBATING ABOUT RELIGION and keep this focused on Salman Rushdie!

  19. #19 by salahudin on September 17, 2007 - 6:35 pm

    Poor rehan. I quoted him a hadith and all he could do was to say “i’m not going to talk to you”… feeling a bit exposed because your beliefs diverge from islam’s peaceful teachings of tolerance, rehan? go ahead, run away.

    To the others: there are fundamentalists everywhere and they really don’t belong in this century anymore… we’ve sort of made that clear.

    How about we put it to a democratic vote to see how respected rehan’s moronic point of view really is? 😛

    but ad hominem apart, i think everyone here agrees that rushdie should NOT have been persecuted for expressing his opinion, regardless of it being right or wrong. If we can agree on the principle of freedom of expression for everyone, then we’ve really truly achieved something here. 🙂

  20. #20 by salahudin on September 17, 2007 - 6:47 pm

    by the way, i thought everyone might be interested in this:

    Apparently Cathy Griffin (a TV celebrity) recently bashed jesus on stage. A christian writes about how offended he is but also that he won’t react in an emotional way towards her because his religion teaches love and mercy in the face of offenses.

    This is what he said:

    “We’re called to deal with offenses with love and forgiveness, not violence, so please don’t take our efforts to show grace toward offenders such as Griffin as a sign of feeling less offended”


    Rehan, if he was less than barbaric, could have learned something from these Christians… because when they say Christianity is a religion of peace, the world is more inclined to believe them based on the actions of people like these… than believe morons like rehan.

  21. #21 by Rehan Usmani on September 17, 2007 - 8:07 pm

    yes i am against the theory of evolution because nothing comes before religion in my life…same shud be with u , which unfortunately isnt asher.

  22. #22 by salahudin on September 17, 2007 - 9:28 pm

    I agree with you. Actually most people of the world ARE drones… they don’t affirm their own humanity – which is to use their abstract thought to reason their way in their lives, instead of merely following dictates… 🙂

    I agree that almost all revolutions have been violent and as an “almost pacifist” myself, i can’t help but be against revolutions. (insofar as they are violent!)

    And I think with that, we both totally agree on all topics discussed so far! 😛 w00t!

  23. #23 by salahudin on September 17, 2007 - 10:22 pm

    well i don’t see what the debate is…

    do you not support all ideas being expressed? if not, which ones? what category of ideas would you want restricted and why?

  24. #24 by salahudin on September 18, 2007 - 12:30 am

    “And thus, I believe that control over the media and the mindless drones in this regard is important for a stable society.”

    Enlightened revolutions like the British “revolution” would be more appropriate then? Or even Gandhi’s ideology… that was bloodless at least in principle…

  25. #25 by Rehan Usmani on September 18, 2007 - 2:03 am

    minal, i am truly sorry for ‘attacking’ ur faith becuaes as i have mentioned before i didnt mean to, but really, u might be following true islam, but y name it moderate? anyway, as far as stubborness is concerned, then i am not sorry at all, u c i think the common thing in all the people arguing here is that we are muslims. Therefore, giving references to hadis and quran makes perfect sense. apart from that, what we muslims have done is that we have separated all religious debates and world/current affairs, may they be social, political, etc. I shud remind u, islam is NOT only a deen, it has and is everything, as said by Allah Himself. instead we SHUD be bringing in hadis and quran oftenly – doesnt matter it is an argument with a non-muslim or a muslim. Sunnah and quran gives us so beautiful references that we can, and i challenge on this, relate to everything in life.
    i am sorry minal but u c salman rushdie cnanot come in without religion being discussed otherwise there is no topic or controversy at all. i hope u do understand that its not possible to talk of one and not talk of the other.
    it is very sad to see that u have misinterpretted what i have been saying throughout. I am not the one who has a right to accuse any person as deserving death, but the ulemas do, whether u like it or not. u and me take today’s islam for granted! no, it is the result of the hardships that we cant even imagine which the imams of our deen faced. one cannot thank Allah enuff that we are born in a society where we dont need to ask persmissions of our rulers to pray.
    for everyone: inshAllah i will soon, prove to u in EVERY way why DO/SHOULD MUSLIMS DISLIKE SALMAN and why is it lawful to murder him. all i ask is for a little time, as Taravees consume all the time i have which i usually spared to research and discussions.

  26. #26 by Rehan Usmani on September 18, 2007 - 2:21 am

    firstly, asher im afraid u are very ignorant about the duties put upon every muslim. GO ASK UR FAVOURITE MAULANA! OR ATLEAT UR PARENTS! dude u dont even how badly u are disrespecting ISLAM and Allah.
    GO ASK WHOEVER U TRUST WILL TELL U THE RIGHT INTERPRETATION AND THEN COME BACK. i dont know man, but if wanna become ziddi, then its fine with me, Allah and the Prophet (saw) hasnt just made an Ummah, they have taught us to fight in EVERY way, not just by sword or peacefully. The Prophet (saw) has taught me (the muslims) how to deal with any possible situation that may arise when dealing with people like u. if u wanna become serious, go ! i challenge u in front of everyone.
    U WILL INDEED FIND THAT IT IS MY RIGHT (THE RIGHT OF ALL MUSLIMS) TO ENJOIN JUSTICE AND FORBID EVIL. FOR PEOPLE LIKE U, CALLING TO THE RIGHT PATH IS SAME AS CRITICIZING PEOPLE. it is made FARZ on me and u to call upon people i.e Dawah, only but u knew it. Juma juma dus din nahi hotay aur behas kartay hain without any reference. is se acha tou chup rahna hota hai, atleast apna mazaq tou na udwao. ALTHOUGH OTHERS ON THIS FORUM ARE WITH U, BUT DUDE, THEY TOO KNOW IN THEIR HEARTS THAT WHAT I SAY IS NOTHING BUT THE TRUTH BECAUSE THE FACT IS WHATEVER I HAVE SAID IS SAID BY ALLAH HIMSELF.
    and u just wait man! i will prove to u and others how and why is it justifiable to dislike and so much as to hate rushdie. HAVE U NO SENSE? DO U EVEN KNOW THE CRITERIA OF A TRAITOR IN ISLAM? OR ITS PENALTY? ofcourse not, we are not taught taht in schools, and our parents dont send us to madrassas to get religious know-how because worldly life is much more better and easier than what ALlah has made obligatory on us.

  27. #27 by Asher Gilani on September 18, 2007 - 2:23 am

    Salaudin, you didn’t really need to have a poll for who favours free expression. I honestly think that we all know who the intelligent people are in this discussion and you really wouldn’t need to ask them that question!

    Rehan, I completely agree with salaudin, you are a complete and utter barbarian. How the hell can it be lawful to murder another human being? If it were up to you we should also be obliged to murder Richard Dawkins, one of the world’s great intellects and most famous atheist for he openly dismisses the existence of god and makes a complete mockery out of all religions. But I’m assuming you wouldn’t have heard of him as your main source of knowledge i.e. mullahs probably don’t know who he is.

  28. #28 by Rehan Usmani on September 18, 2007 - 2:25 am

    actually there is a correction in the previous post “IT IS MADE FARZ TO ENJOIN JUSTICE AND FORBID EVIL”

  29. #29 by Rehan Usmani on September 18, 2007 - 2:29 am

    and mind u asher, u are the one who is in darkness. it is the maulanas (exceptions excluded) who are being guided by Allah(swt) and trust me bro, they know much more than we normal ppl do. they knwo the ground realities, which u and me dont even see on the news. do u know why? because they are the ones fighting for the cause of Allah, while we rest in our homes, thinking that it was a joke when Allah made it farz on us to do jihad, doesnt matter which form, but atelast u gotta have the spirit.

  30. #30 by Rehan Usmani on September 18, 2007 - 2:34 am

    go to an ulema of ur choice, and ask him the details of whats happening in afghanistan and iraq or any other place for that matter.
    The truth is that they are more intelligent than we are. u think by reading quran and sunnah, makes u dumb, hell no! Infact, it is the intelligent ppl alone who are guided by Allah (swt) as they clearly see whats in the Scripture given to Prophet Muhammad (saw) , NOT me nor U!

  31. #31 by Rehan Usmani on September 18, 2007 - 2:37 am

    Also, what is possible for muslims to do, it is a duty for them to do, and where isnt system failures? there were even in the days of the Prophet (saw) himself. for instance the battle of Uhad, when the archers ran out to collect booty despite Prophet’s (saw) orders. When thngs didnt even go perfect in the reign on the Prophet (saw) how is it possible to assume that there is perfection in today’s Muslim?

  32. #32 by Rehan Usmani on September 18, 2007 - 2:40 am

    yes u are right, i might not have heard of many ppl who have disrespected islam, and it is realistic to not know everything, unlike u who think being a muslim makes u all-knowing (naozubillah)…..because if i had or the ulemas had, and if that person’s popularity wud have been increasing in shaking the muslim’s faith, we would have taken strong action against it, the first and foremost being criticism, as i am doing for salman right now.

  33. #33 by Rehan Usmani on September 18, 2007 - 2:41 am

    inshAllah IF ALLAH IS WITH ME, i will come out successful, but it is HE alone who gives izzat and zillat to WHOEVER HE WISHES.

  34. #34 by Rehan Usmani on September 18, 2007 - 3:28 am

    HERE GO !!! and in menu, see all the videos. InshAllah If u go with a true intention to seek the truth, then Allah will guide you.

    I swear i didnt want to make the discussion unpleasant but i cudnt have just kept quiet or it wud have proven to be a Muslim’s defeat, which i will never let happen atleast when im responsible.
    Forgive me people for the things u are offended at, and i pray to Allah (swt) that He guides us all so that we can improve and secure a place in paradise! Ameen.

  35. #35 by salahudin on September 18, 2007 - 9:23 am

    Rehan, did you know you’re enjoying freedom of speech right now??? 😛 the very principle you’re advocating against??? lol…

    you should be thanking Asher for letting you exercise your human right here because you’re clearly being an annoying prick.

    of course, if you bash freedom of speech one more time, i’d take that to mean you’re waiving you’re own right to speak here… 😛

  36. #36 by Rehan on September 18, 2007 - 10:31 am

    what is ur problem if asher does a favor on me or not? u mind ur own business please.
    u’re teh oen non-serious about the debate….not me. therefore by principle u shud be banned from here, but i dotn want that, because ppl like u are the ones who make a fool of themselves and provide a winning frontier for us.

  37. #37 by Rehan Us on September 18, 2007 - 10:42 am

    ther is a hadis of teh Holy Prophet (saw) that i give assurance on heaven for that muslim who doesnt ask questions.
    try to understand the depth of this hadis and the possible explanation. u will all argue that this hadis does not STOP a person from questioning but bear in mind ppl, if Allah’s Messenger didnt like one thing, there was unimaginable hikmat in it.
    Either tell em right here and right now whether u believe in the Gayb (the invisible things as Quran has mentioned taht muslims are those who bring faith on things which are invisible such as Allah Himself, his Angels and the Prophets we suerly havent seen) or the visible and thigns which seem logical to u?
    do u kno that zakir naik himself stops ppl from relying on facts and figures to strengthen their faith, which is ironical because he himself is a debater on it, he debates only for those ignorant non-muslims who despite Allah’s revelation of clear Signs, do not believe. We may find arguments to support our claims but in Islam for a muslim , it shudnt be the case otherwise the whole point of sawab which is given in believing in the Unseen, is lost.

  38. #38 by Rehan Us on September 18, 2007 - 10:43 am

    i meant OF HEAVEN not on heaven.

  39. #39 by Rehan Us on September 18, 2007 - 10:47 am

    therefore in light of ALL MY PREVIOUS POSTS, i would like to conclude yet again that Rushdie deserves the criticism and deserves death, doesnt matter if he doesnt die like that.
    The holy prophet (saw) said (sahih bukhari) that if a muslim sees evil, he should stop or change it from HIS HAND, if he has a weak will, he should by his TONGUE (or thru press nowadays) and if that isnt done by him, he should ATLEAST know in his heart that the thing is BAD. The person who does the 3rd thing, (mind u it is in the hadis),he has faith equivalent to a grain(weakest form of iman), and another hadis says he has no faith at all.

  40. #40 by salahudin on September 19, 2007 - 12:31 am

    “and having been flooded by Haroon Yahya literature since my childhood,”

    American Heritage Dictionary – Cite This Source
    in·doc·tri·nate (ĭn-dŏk’trə-nāt’) Pronunciation Key
    tr.v. in·doc·tri·nat·ed, in·doc·tri·nat·ing, in·doc·tri·nates

    1. To instruct in a body of doctrine or principles.
    2. To imbue with a partisan or ideological point of view: USAGE ****a generation of children who had been indoctrinated against the values of their parents.***


  41. #41 by Rehan Usmani on September 19, 2007 - 1:40 am

    how unrelated and lame…

  42. #42 by salahudin on September 19, 2007 - 1:45 am

    it’s un-important to know you’ve been indoctrinated into the opinion you now hold? Talk about being an intellectual blackhole.

  43. #43 by salahudin on September 19, 2007 - 1:45 am

    That is, you’re sucking MY intelligence out of me, into you where it’s lost forever… thereby making me dumber by each minute of interaction with you! 😛

  44. #44 by salahudin on September 19, 2007 - 2:01 am

    “look, the previous-age maulanas didnt use REASONING to the extent it is used today”

    factually incorrect….

    throughout the Muslim “golden era” that is, when Muslims were the only super power in the world and were the most technologically, politically, militarily advanced etc… which was from the abbasid era onwards… there were two schools of thought: the mutazillite and the asharritte, both of whom used logic and reasoning (at differing levels).

    the mutazillite school died out due to oppression from FANATICAL muslim monarchs, while the asharri school of though merged with the sunni sect of islam.

    i can point out intellectual reasons and RATIONALITY used by sunni islamic scholars of TODAY, as it was advocated in the 10th to the 13th century by asharii scholars.

    Al Ghazali himself was an asharii.

    Au contrare to what our friend here is asserting, even a brief look at Islamic history and philosophy will show you that Muslims were on top of the world when they were attempting to use reason and rationality… their decline started around the time orthodox and ignorant maulanas started creating trouble for the Ottoman empire… which was unsurprisingly, largely secular before the advent of fundamentalism in their lands.

  45. #45 by salahudin on September 19, 2007 - 2:02 am

    so if anything, “maulanas” (or muslim scholars of islam) used to use logic and reasoning far more than they use today.

  46. #46 by Rehan Usmani on September 20, 2007 - 2:10 am

    stupid…i meant and it is clearly obvious, usage of logic for converting ppl or making muslims stronger in faith….jao get info about that …

  47. #47 by raza naqvi on September 20, 2007 - 9:44 pm

    This forum is meant for discussing Salman Rushdie’s Knighthood! From reading the previous posts i’m appalled that a peaceful dialogue regarding a current literary affairs has stooped lower to an all round religious debate. I have read the, “Satanic Verses” and found it pleasantly amusing. Freedom of expression is the right of any human being regardless of race, ethnicity and religion. Why is it so that we are allowed to question theories and laws in fundamental sciences and not question the concept of religion? Oh right…..I forgot there are people out there (who have posted above) who think differently!
    Rehan you have stooped low enough to start using hateful words like, “stupid”. You have blatantly tried to impose you’re own ideology without regards to other people. And stop counting on the interpretation of the Quran by others! How do you think people decide to kill innocent civilians for no reason at all? And its these Mullas who defame our peaceful religion, how can you support them? Of course I’m making generalizations, I think they owe us that much after the countless number of people they have, “brainwashed”!

  48. #48 by raza naqvi on September 21, 2007 - 7:03 pm

    Rehan, you have made it seem like you’re point of view is the only one which is correct. Sure you are entitled to you’re opinions, but don’t you realize that you are voicing them out counts as freedom of expression. Ahmed Deedat an Zakir Naik both are exceptional scholars, but they are also humans! They are subject to flaws as well. It is disgusting that you think you’re opinions over here are “God’s will”! Who do you think you are, just read what you have written over the past few weeks, and if you manage to understand the jargon which you have vomited out after listening to people like Zakir Naik, I’m sure you will realize what you are trying to imply. Job? You are no different than those mindless drones who occupied the Lal Masjid and took people hostage. The only thing which the rest of the guys have managed to prove is how much commonsense you lack! You are probably a supporter of Osama Bin Laden too, and you probably respect his ideologies too. How can you stand for the blind murder of innocent people and the defamation of our religion! You constantly refer to Asher as if he is a caste below you and you are some all-knowing being. Just because you don’t want to live in a world where being a good human being is more important than being a good Muslim only, it doesn’t mean you have the right to look down upon others.

    I agree with Asher, you are an extremist. If religion (especially Islam) was the answer to everything, how come Muslims are committing suicide bombings, to the detriment of our religion. You reply to every point with another point on religion, religion can’t solve everything! This nation would have been a model state. It has the ability to do so, but the only way is to flush out extremists like you.

  49. #49 by Rehan Usmani on September 21, 2007 - 7:56 pm

    hahah u have NO idea who ahmed deedat or zakir naik is….its so sad and surprising at the same time….zakir naik is always right, cuz unlike u he doesnt come up with arguments WITHOUT any subject matter….just pointing out the already-mentioned things like u do, doesnt make u a gud admin nor a gud world affairs society member…u just echo ppl and certainly have no clue as to what is happening in the surprised u were made the admin…unless perchance its ur own website..

  50. #50 by Rehan Usmani on September 21, 2007 - 8:05 pm

    it is completely wrong to say religion cant solve everything…it can and it has over the last many centuries…its the ppl who are not following it…plus raza u SHUD agree with me, that asher hasnt given a single authentic source or any gud point in his favor…im not looking down on him, im just disappointed in how ppl manage to argue without the backgroud knowledge…i dont support osama, because i dont even knwo if he was behind the 911 attacks…what is clear to everyone is unclear to many…i hope u have watched LOOSE CHANGE, that wud help u in realizing it wasnt Osama bin ladin, and even if he was, i dont support him…i believe in jihad without killing innocent lives.. Allah has forbidden to kill innocent ppl, the old, women, and even the trees…
    however, that doesnt mean that if i was asked to do jihad on the true wrong doers, i wud step back! no. and neither shud u all..if that time really comes….
    i believe im doing jihad (although i dont know whether it is being accepted by Allah) by refuting the misconceptions ppl hold regarding islam and its ulema’s fatwas…RAZA its high time u open that link iv posted earlier and just watch ahmed deedat….beta no one like deedat has been born, zakir naik is more popular because we are seeing him after we know whts going on in the world, but deedat is dead, he was a very famous personality before zakir naik, from whom zakir naik learnt…..however, gaining sympathy by saying asher is innocent in what he has been saying is wrong so avoid from it because u nevr know what u might be implying unintentionally…and bayshak Allah is the Judge of all our actions…

  51. #51 by Rehan Usmani on September 21, 2007 - 8:08 pm

    coming to the topic again : Freedom of expression has boundaries…go and ask some world affairs teacher or literate guy if u dont believe me…it is restricted to comment or abuse any other religion in the name of freedom of expression….If satanic verses were written NOT in context to the Holy Prophet, perhaps we all wud have read it cuz of the literature quality…..however, it was truly a big mistake by rushdie to use characters of Holy Prophet AND his companions including his very Wife, Aisha, salamah and others….

  52. #52 by raza naqvi on September 21, 2007 - 9:32 pm

    Rehan the pre-requisite for any democratic society is freedom of expression. Bias and hatred which is expressed towards other religions is only a show of neglect and ignorance. Of course, if you support a man who has taken responsibility for the death of thousands (Osama isn’t only famous for 9/11!), thats a different case. When other religions hear people like you who condone and even somewhat appreciate his ideology, their hostility is justified. Freedom of expression may at least let them voice their sentiments and stop an innocent minority member from being physically attacked!

    The problem is that Osama also calls for the killing of my Pakistani and Muslim( not to forget all human beings regardless of ethnicity, race and religion) brothers!

    Stop calling me beta! This is a prestigious blog. How dare you insult my intelligence by saying you are surprised I got in. If you claim to be “guided” by God, why would you say something as hurtful as that? I’m not going to pretend like it hurt me or anything because I know you are jealous. By the way, I think I know a lot more of what is going around the world than you (I’ve just read you’re post regarding Mullas knowing more than we do) and you of all people are no one to doubt my intelligence. Zakir Naik is not God, he cannot always be right. If he was half the guy you have made him out to be, he himself would admit that he can and has made mistakes. Anyway I never doubted his intelligence.

    Freedom of expression doesn’t mean you have to insult other people’s religion, but neither does it mean that you use derogatory language such as “beta”. I could come up with so many replies to that, but I’m a better person than that (my little knowledge of religion has atleast taught me that, It seems Zakir Naik couldn’t even make you realize that!). A right comes with great responsibility. It’s absurd to say murdering a person has exceptions, just as it is to say that freedom of expression means you cannot voice you’re honest and true opinions!

  53. #53 by raza naqvi on September 21, 2007 - 9:37 pm

    “if u cant manage like me, dnt get jealous”, you’re very words Rehan!

  54. #54 by raza naqvi on September 21, 2007 - 9:44 pm

    Oh I don’t think the beta thing referred to me=)
    Anyway, it lacks any tact and it is shameful of you to refer to anyone like that. I don’t think you’ve realized but Asher is being a diplomat, I’m sure he can come up with many more points but you just answer questions with questions Rehan!

  55. #55 by Rehan Usmani on September 22, 2007 - 1:04 am

    dont be so sure about something u cant deliver..

  56. #56 by salahudin on September 22, 2007 - 1:39 am

    “Alhumdulillah, u guyz still havent been able to prove me wrong….”

    pig headed people can rest in comfort believing they are right, all they want.

    But you’re not the judge of whether you’re right or wrong… it’s the audience. And i think i’ll trust their intellect to discern what a pig headed loon you really are. 😛

    i’m done here.

  57. #57 by Rehan Usmani on February 28, 2008 - 12:31 pm

    raza i apologize but u know (because u know me already) the true meaning of using beta here (u know it wasnt intended to insult u so plz dont make a big deal out of it, although still iv apologized)

  58. #58 by Imran on March 20, 2008 - 1:43 am

    After reading all the discussion, what I have concluded is that we the muslims are becoming MORONS. The word Logic, that is being frequently used by us, is given to us by WEST. O muslims, it is not ISLAM that all of us try to impose on others. Neither is the one that has created the differences among us. Don’t we feel that by the term FREEDOM OF SPEECH, there have arisen a lot of differences among us? Y? Y is that? Is this the Islam preached by our PROPHET? What actually the root of all evil is LOGIC.. The result of this Freedom, that has been supplied to us by the WEST, is that we are having endless debates like this one. All we are debating here, call ourselves true muslims and proving others wrong. and the person who is the center of discussion is the one, who thinks that the contents of HOLY QURAN should be revised (naouzubiAlllah). O Allah! please guide us and may bring the true meaning of Islam to us. AMEN

  59. #59 by Abdul Ali on February 5, 2014 - 1:14 pm

    Those who hurt God’s messenger have incurred a painful retribution”. Surah Tawba
    This book is a clear example of trying to hurt prophet. This book clearly hurt the sentiments of muslims and started a fitnah which is greater than killing. Lastly the author has no right to call Ayatullah Khomeini an idiot. This man devoted 50 years to God and you call him an idiot. Lastly the americans were held hostage for plundering Iran’s resources for 50 years. How can America which dropped two atom bombs and invaded Afghanistan and killing thousands there for just harboring on man and trying to invade Cuba just to stop the people from deposing the dictator there be trumpeted as the champion of human rights and democracy?

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